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Yeah, they do believe that, but they are not the only ones who do.
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awip2062 wrote:I can't say that a nation that is fighting to not be wiped off the face of the earth is wrong in defending itself.
This little war started when two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped.

How does that constitute an attempt to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? :?
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awip2062 wrote:I can't say that a nation that is fighting to not be wiped off the face of the earth is wrong in defending itself.
This little war started when two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped.

How does that constitute an attempt to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? :?
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Devil's Advocate wrote:
awip2062 wrote:I can't say that a nation that is fighting to not be wiped off the face of the earth is wrong in defending itself.
This little war started when two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped.

How does that constitute an attempt to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? :?

OH..........................PAH-LEEZE! :roll:
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I'm not defending Hezbollah. I am saying that the accusations made against them concerning the Qana attack are bullshit.
Speaking of people believing the BS that certain folks would kill their own people... apparently that's quite a common belief around here.
Thursday, August 3, 2006

Was 9/11 an 'inside job'?

By THOMAS HARGROVE AND GUIDO H. STEMPEL III
SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

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Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were "an inside job" -- the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet -- quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy's assassination and that it has covered up proof of space aliens.

Seventy percent of people who give credence to these theories also say they've become angrier with the federal government than they used to be.

Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

"One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right," said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 Commission). His congressionally appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al-Qaida five years ago.

"A lot of people I've encountered believe the U.S. government was involved," Hamilton said.

"Many say the government planned the whole thing," he said. "Of course, we don't think the evidence leads that way at all."
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Devil's Advocate wrote:
awip2062 wrote:I can't say that a nation that is fighting to not be wiped off the face of the earth is wrong in defending itself.
This little war started when two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped.

How does that constitute an attempt to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? :?
Actually, that "little war" started around 1948 (when the Jews went on a land-grab, but hell...who DIDN'T???).
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It's funny how liberal America believes that the American goverment is behind 9/11, than says some terrorist shitbag would never put military targets in front of civilians. Sometimes I really question the loyalty of some people to their own country. Rolling Stone Mag, who is owned by the Taliban BTW, said that America is making all this nuclear stuff up just so we can go to war with Iran. Yeah that is just what W wants to do. stretch the military a bit further with a third campaign. Hell if that was the case, don't you think Bush would have blown the shit out of Iran already? Iran has thumbed their noses at every ultimantum we have given them and we have done shit to them. same with N Korea, we should have blown the shit out of their missles before they even had a chance to launch them. but nooooooo don't want to piss of the Russians or the French or the liberal press, which is no better than the French, they are all a bunch of pussies IMHO
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They just don't get it Soup....not until some islama-fascist sticks a IED up THEIR ass...
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You make an interesting point, Soups.

We dealt with North Korea the liberal way. The Bill Clinton way.
We dealt with Iraq the Bush way (not saying that was flawless by any means).

Which one is posing a greater threat to the free world today. AND... in which one do the citizens enjoy more freedom and prosperity?

And thanks for "getting" why I posted that story about how many believe that 9/11 was an "inside job".
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I think you all have a strange definition of "liberal."

I think it runs something along the lines of "anyone we don't like."


Belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories is not a liberal trait. It's a loony trait. Liberals are no more loony than non-liberals. The word "liberal" is not an all-purpose pejorative.


BTW, it seems I was wrong about the war being started by the abduction of the Israeli sldiers: they were saying on the rado news this morning that Tony Blair knew about the Israeli invasion of Lebanon some days or weeks before it began. That can only mean that the kidnapping was a coincidence, having nothing to do with the war - which was started by Israel without the provocation they claim.
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I can only speak for myself here, but I define conservative (at least American conservative) as one who thinks that our constitution is a great founding document and the country should stick to it. An American liberal, however, would prefer our governtment to be more socialist rather than the representative republic which it is. I know liberals who I like and conservatives who I don't.

As to the conspiracy beliefs about 9/11... you'd be hard-pressed to find many mainstream conservatives who buy into it.

As to your statement about Israel invading Lebanon before anything began... I guess it's kind of cute, and it did make me smile. But to accept it for what it is demands that we forget anything and everything about the region that took place before May of 2006.
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Devil's Advocate wrote:I think you all have a strange definition of "liberal."

I think it runs something along the lines of "anyone we don't like."


Belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories is not a liberal trait. It's a loony trait. Liberals are no more loony than non-liberals. The word "liberal" is not an all-purpose pejorative.


BTW, it seems I was wrong about the war being started by the abduction of the Israeli sldiers: they were saying on the rado news this morning that Tony Blair knew about the Israeli invasion of Lebanon some days or weeks before it began. That can only mean that the kidnapping was a coincidence, having nothing to do with the war - which was started by Israel without the provocation they claim.

Violence and bloodshed are the only things Islama-fascists understand. Do you not grasp that concept?

pre-emptive strikes are the ONLY logical solution to dealing with terrorists that cannot be trusted...end of story...where is all the Arab outrage when some "infidels" are butchered and paraded through city streets, with the local men (AND women) screeching like savages...you are SO dismissed :twisted: *salutes*
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CygnusX1 wrote: Actually, that "little war" started around 1948 (when the Jews went on a land-grab, but hell...who DIDN'T???).
Land grab, Siggs? They just wanted their home back. They didn't even take as much as they once had under their prosperous kings.
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my bad t...I stand corrected, but I stand TALL :) *flexes table muscles*
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We need to be honest about who Isael is fighting. This isn't Israel vs Lebanon. It's Israel vs the Hezbos. Lebanon doesn't fund and arm the Hezbos. Iran is doing most of that along with some help from Syria. The current leader of Iran has made numerous public threats about wiping Israel off the face of the map. For Israel to feel threatened could hardly be construed as paranoia. For them to fight the Hezbos hardly makes them villainous.

As of yet, Iran as a nation doesn't seem to be willing to fight Israel but is happily doing it by proxy through this terrorist militia it's supporting.

Many Americans are saying that we're now witnessing the failings of Bush's middle-east foreign policy. The truth is, we're witnessing the failing of the middle-east policy of the last 40+ years. All the talking and the cease fires for so long are what has given us terrorist organizations like the Hezbos who have caches of thousands of missles. Another cease fire at this point will accomplish nothing. Israel need to be allowed to severely weaken the Hezbos first.

At least, that's the view of this product of American public education. ;)
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