Obama and the primaries

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besides, don't they have term limits? She has already done 8 years.
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Joking aside, you guys bring up an interesting point. Obama won the women's vote last night. The Hillary people have been telling us that she can easily win the presidency by not only getting the Democrat base vote, but by bringing in large numbers of Republican women voters as well.

That idea was put to bed last night when the women of Iowa did not vote for her.

Identity politics doesn't always work. By identity politics I'm talking about things like, "I'll vote for him because he's the black guy" or "her because she's the only woman running" or something like that. Voting on that basis instead of on policy.

It did however work for Huckabee last night. The evangelical turnout was huge, and he did win by being the evangelical candidate. I doubt that a lot of those Republican voters of his really favor his policies over those of his opponents. I think his victory was indeed due to identity politics.

Just this armchair political "strategerist's" view at the moment. Subject to change without warning. Batteries not included. Your milage may vary.
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Don't forget film at 11. :-D
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The church I attend is considered evangelical, but I can't see me wanting Huckabee as President. I may end up voting for him if he is the best of what we are presented with, but I am waiting to see what independent runners we have contending these Repubs and Dems. I sure hope we have a good one come along!
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Hey, If he can lower gas prices, he has my vote.
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Soup4Rush wrote:Hey, If he can lower gas prices, he has my vote.
Has he claimed to be able to?
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I am just saying, if he does he has my vote. That is really my only concern with a new president. but I am just a simpleton. Gas prices is the only issue I care about. High gas prices affect everything else. food, heat etc.. and raising a family those are the only issues you care about. In my simple mind anyway. :-)
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Soup4Rush wrote:I am just saying, if he does he has my vote. That is really my only concern with a new president. but I am just a simpleton. Gas prices is the only issue I care about. High gas prices affect everything else. food, heat etc.. and raising a family those are the only issues you care about. In my simple mind anyway. :-)
You're right.

I've got three big issues. Dependence on foreign oil (part of high gas prices), locking down the border, and continuing to scare the crap out of terrorists. :)
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oh yeah.. I forgot about scaring terrorists. :-D
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Sen. Obama, I'm your BIGGEST fan!
Actually, I'm probably your smallest fan...

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LOL And probably his most brutally honest one as well!
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Okay... I had a really good chuckle reading this (other than the frustration by the news mentioned in the first two paragraphs, of course):
DREAMS FROM MY FATHER, LAME EXCUSES FROM MY GRANDFATHER

April 9, 2008

Since a Chinese graduate student at Columbia University, Minghui Yu, was killed last Friday when black youths violently set upon him, sending him running into traffic to escape, I think B. Hussein Obama ought to start referring to the mind-set of the "typical Asian person."

As of Wednesday, police had no motive for the attack, and witnesses said they heard no demand for money or anything else. The Associated Press reports that the assailant simply said to his friend, "Watch what I do to this guy" before punching Yu.

Meanwhile, let's revisit the story about Obama's grandmother being guilty of thinking like a "typical white person." As recounted in Obama's autobiography, the only evidence that his grandmother feared black men comes from Obama's good-for-nothing, chronically unemployed white grandfather, who accuses Grandma of racism as his third excuse not to get dressed and drive her to work.

His grandmother wanted a ride to work at 6:30 in the morning because, the day before, she had been aggressively solicited by a homeless man at the bus stop. On her account, the panhandler "was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head."

Even Obama's shiftless grandfather didn't play the race card until pretty far into the argument over whether he would drive Grandma to work. First, the good-for-nothing grandfather told Obama that Grandma was just trying to guilt him into driving her, saying, "(S)he just wants me to feel bad."

Next, he complained about his non-work routine being disrupted, saying: "She's been catching the bus ever since she started at the bank. ... And now, just because she gets pestered a little, she wants to change everything!"

Only after Obama had offered to drive his grandmother to work himself and it was becoming increasingly clear what a selfish lout the grandfather was, did Grandpa produce his trump card. The reason he wouldn't get his lazy butt dressed and drive Grandma to work was ... she was a racist!

As Obama recounts it, on Grandpa's third try at an excuse, he told Obama: "You know why she's so scared this time? I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black. That's the real reason she's bothered. And I just don't think that's right." So I guess I'll be heading back to the sack now!

That makes sense. It certainly never bothers me when crazy white people harass and threaten me.

This is Obama's own account of what happened, which -- as anyone can see -- consisted of his slacker grandfather making a series of excuses to avoid having to drive the sole bread-earner in the family to work.

But Obama says, "The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure." (It was as if he had been punched by an aggressive panhandler at a bus stop!) And not because his grandfather's sorry excuse reminded him that he came from a long line of callow, worthless men, both black and white.

No, Obama swallowed his grandfather's pathetic excuse hook, line and sinker, leading Obama to a reverie about his grandparents: "I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers could still inspire their rawest fears." That's true -- assuming his brothers and sisters were menacing people at bus stops.

How deranged would you have to be to cite this incident as evidence that your grandmother thought like a "typical white person" -- as opposed to your grandfather being worthless and lazy? For those keeping score, Obama is aghast at his grandmother's alleged racism, but had no problem with Jeremiah Wright's manifest racism.

If Obama is sent reeling by the mere words of an elderly white woman, how is he going to negotiate with a guy like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? What if Ahmadinejad calls him "booger-face"? Will he run crying from the table?

Your grandmother wasn't a racist, Barack. Your grandpa was just a loser. Can we wrap up our national conversation about race now? I think we'd like to move onto questions about your stupid plan to hold talks with Iran.

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It's just...I can't...it's like...

I am an admitted reader. I love the stuff.
But when the text has words like "loser" and "Stupid" and "Deranged" in the context that they were laid out, I lose all sense of validity and seriousness when taking it all in. Again, provocateurs all seem to think the joke is on us. Outrageousness over truly factual anecdotal reporting. Unless we choose to see through the all-to-obvious sensationalism and struggle to decipher some semblance of opinion and/or insight, what, that is real thought, can we cull from it?

She's cute for a stick insect, but her obviously million-dollar insured brain is seemingly, basically flawed.

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I was asked a while back in this forum what I really thought about Obama as a candidate. That was a tough question. It was tough because I just didn't know who he was. His campaign has very cleverly focused on "hope" and "change". No specifincs about what kind of change or anything like that... just change. His speeches have been all about the listeners and not about the candidate. It's not until recently that we've really started to learn who the guy is. And we're learning it by learning more about his circle of friends.

Andrew McCarthy, the lead prosecutor in the 9/11 bombing trials has written a pretty revealing artice.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YT ... DA=&w=MA==
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Here is a Youtube thinger............................enjoy.


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