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Hey, Bro, check this bill out being introduced to our state legislature!
Cars blamed for global warming; Eyman fires back
By BRIAN SLODYSKO
P-I REPORTER

OLYMPIA -- Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels and Sen. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, want car owners to warm to the inconvenient truth of cutting vehicle emissions.

And they're aiming for a place all drivers will feel it -- the pocket.

Senate Bill 6923 would impose a vehicle excise tax on all passenger vehicles based on EPA ratings of a cars' fuel efficiency. For example, the owner of a hybrid car such as, say, a Toyota Prius, would pay $60 in annual taxes, whereas the owner of a Hummer H3 would pay $180 a year.

"The (governor's) climate advisory team said that the biggest global warming problem in this state is actually from transportation," Murray said. "We have fairly clean industry, so we have to be careful that we don't get into the situation where we're punishing a few industries when the problem is actually the number of automobiles. This legislation finally takes into account global warming to the responsibility of owning a vehicle."

The tax would replace slumping revenue collected through the state's gas tax. Rising fuel costs have lured drivers from their cars while the increased popularity of gas-efficient vehicles has cut back on the number of trips drivers make to the pumps.

The money raised would be split between the state Department of Transportation and local governments, with 75 percent of the tax going to cities and counties and 25 percent going to the DOT for transportation projects, including "green" alternatives.

Commercial drivers would be exempt from the legislation.

It is unclear if the bill will be moved forward because it was proposed late in the session. The Legislature's cutoff date for new bills is Friday.

According to Craig Engelking, a lobbyist for the Sierra Club, even if the bill does not move forward, it will further green interests by initiating dialogue among legislators.

Hours after the bill was proposed, anti-tax advocate Tim Eyman was making the rounds, condemning Murray's efforts.

"How much is this going to cost taxpayers over the next 10 years?" Eyman asked. "Insanity seems to be in vogue in Olympia; this is just one more example of it."

If approved, the bill could hit lower-income drivers who cannot afford fuel-efficient cars hardest, with, by Nickels' estimate, a $113 average annual fee.

"Our state's tax system is enormously skewed so that lowest wage earners pay about 17 percent of their income in state and local taxes. Any proposal that treats all taxpayers equally just adds to that regressivity," said Christy Margelli, executive director of the Washington Tax Fairness Coalition.

Nickels said, in this case, there has to be more stick than carrot.

"When somebody invests the money in something that harms the rest of us in terms of putting the carbon into the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming, that behavior should carry a cost," Nickels said.

Murray proposed his bill as Gov. Chris Gregoire's Climate Advisory Team released its final recommendations for cutting greenhouse gases, including:

Charging road tolls, increasing parking costs and basing auto insurance rates on miles driven.

Requiring that vehicle fuel sold in the state releases lower levels of carbon dioxide.

Making railroad transportation more efficient.

P-I reporter Brian Slodysko can be reached at 360-943-8311 or brianslodysko@seattlepi.com.

I find this part particularly telling:
"The tax would replace slumping revenue collected through the state's gas tax. Rising fuel costs have lured drivers from their cars while the increased popularity of gas-efficient vehicles has cut back on the number of trips drivers make to the pumps."

So, we are told we have to be taxed so that we will drive less because we are using too much gas, then we drive less and use less gas, and they reward us by taxing us to make up for the taxes we are not paying by using all that gas. :roll: [/quote]
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Oh Olympia can kiss my entire ass kiddo. :roll:
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All the way to the bank, Bro, all the way to the bank.

You know how things are for us under Queen Gregoire!
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awip2062 wrote:All the way to the bank, Bro, all the way to the bank.

You know how things are for us under Queen Gregoire!

That biochapatooka needs an enema.
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awip2062 wrote:Senate Bill 6923 would impose a vehicle excise tax on all passenger vehicles based on EPA ratings of a cars' fuel efficiency. For example, the owner of a hybrid car such as, say, a Toyota Prius, would pay $60 in annual taxes, whereas the owner of a Hummer H3 would pay $180 a year.
I don't see anything wrong with that.....

Hey, if one can afford to fill up and own a 8-mpg gas-guzzling
tactical assault vehicle...

they should pay more to drive it
- for not being a part of the effort to reduce petroleum consumption.

I think it's a great idea.

Just my 2 pennies y'all.

(for the record, I drive a tonka-toy 4WD pickup that gets 26 mpg....28 going downhill with a tail wind) :razz:
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Exposing the lie . . .

They (legislators) claim that they want to decrease oil dependency and help the environment. Well, then why would they be taxing the Hummer more than the Prius? Is it not the Prius that is passing the pump more and purchasing less gas due to it's already increased mileage? Therefore, it is what is wrong in slumping gas revenues. The Hummer, meanwhile, due to its poor mileage, still hits the pumps atleast once a week, ensuring a steady flow of tax revenue.

What we are actually seeing is another attempt at the redistribution of wealth (a socialists favorite pastime). Taking from those who have enough money to buy the Hummer is what they are truly after.

The lie? The causes they are hiding behind, such as fighting oil consumption and saving the planet, are covering up the truth that all they really want is money and power. Sounds a lot like the "evil" corporations they claim to be fighting!

That's my 2 cents.
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Good point Zepfather, but consider this:

Is there not ENOUGH tax on fuel as it stands?

The price of a gallon of gas would be silly cheap if it were
not for the heavy taxation of it already.

Therefore, by 'virtue' of increased crude prices, tax revenues
are UP...steady at the least.

However, the latest indication is that gas prices will fall by
approx. 50 cents a gallon this Spring, depending upon your
state's GAS TAX. :roll:

They can't tax fuel any more than they already have (without a
revolt hahaha), so.....

LET'S GO AFTER VEHICLES AGAIN!

IMHO, they should start state-legislated fines for talking on cell phones and texting while driving. :twisted:

Can you imagine the windfall THAT would generate, and how many lives it would save? Wow....
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Siggs, they can tax your gas WAY more than they do right now and you won't revolt. The reason I say that is because I live in the state that has the greatest tax on gas in the whole nation. We pay double the federal gas tax, with a minimum gas tax in our state of 36 cents a gallon.

I think that you will find Zep's right when enough smokers quit. You just watch, they will say they aren't getting enough taxes anymore since so many have quit and they will raise taxes elsewhere.
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awip2062 wrote:Siggs, they can tax your gas WAY more than they do right now and you won't revolt. The reason I say that is because I live in the state that has the greatest tax on gas in the whole nation. We pay double the federal gas tax, with a minimum gas tax in our state of 36 cents a gallon.

I think that you will find Zep's right when enough smokers quit. You just watch, they will say they aren't getting enough taxes anymore since so many have quit and they will raise taxes elsewhere.
Didn't know YOUR taxation was that harsh t! Good GRIEF!

I believe Zep too. As a born-again smoker (sorry) :roll: :cry: , Lord knows they get enough of MY MONEY.
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I'm just glad my total commute round trip daily is 16 minutes.

Otherwise I would have to fill my pick-up more than once a month.

The smoking thing is just that..................... my dumb ass won't quit.
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Cigarettes are another example of why I think this nation is willing to be taxed more without revolting. Here in Washington, tobacco taxes are a source of revenue for the state. The current tax rate is $2.025 cents per pack. Distribution of taxes goes is among 5 funds:

1. Health Care $1.01
2. General Fund 23.0 cents
3. Programs to Stop Youth Violence 10.5 cents
4. Water quality 8.0 cents
5. Education Programs 60.0 cents


Note number four. Water quality? Hunh? I can kinda see health care, since this tax has been sold to us time and again as being about the health of the citizenry. The others, well...the cigarette smokers are being tapped to help run the state, plain and simple.

As of January of last year, we were the state with the third highest tax rate on cigarettes. Rhode Island charged $2.46 and New Jersey $2.575.

Oh, and don't forget the 39 cent federal tax or the local sales taxes! We pay taxes, more taxes, and still more taxes!!!!

Now, I am sure those of you who smoke or did smoke remember how much you paid for a pack way back when. At the time I started smoking, I paid about what smokers in Washington now pay just for the Education Programs part of the tax. When I quit I was still paying less for a carton than what I'd pay for two packs of the same brand of cigarettes today.

And, no, I didn't quit due to the heavy taxes.
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Who wants more taxes? No matter what kind of tax they are, environment tax, gas tax, cow patty tax will be next ... NO MORE TAXES!
Really one is just a stepping stone to another. I have a hard time contemplating why is it that we don't change our ways? The technology is here use it! Hydrogen vehicles are on the way invest people invest especially if Obama gets elected new in-fuck-structure good opportunity to take advantage of investments cha ching Maybe I need another cup of coffee to wake up, or someone kick me please :razz:
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Me wrote:Who wants more taxes? No matter what kind of tax they are, environment tax, gas tax, cow patty tax will be next ... NO MORE TAXES!
Really one is just a stepping stone to another. I have a hard time contemplating why is it that we don't change our ways? The technology is here use it! Hydrogen vehicles are on the way invest people invest especially if Obama gets elected new in-fuck-structure good opportunity to take advantage of investments cha ching Maybe I need another cup of coffee to wake up, or someone kick me please :razz:
Cow Patty Taxes? :shock: :? :roll:

Oh dude.....You HAD to mention THAT...You almost KNOW some
Obama suck-up is gonna take that idea, run with it and call it a
METHANE TAX... :???: :roll:

So, for the common good of all taxpayers and by-torians...I must kick you.

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Doesn't the State of Washington own all your liquor stores too?
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Soup4Rush wrote:Doesn't the State of Washington own all your liquor stores too?
In the State of Washington I believe the liquor stores are owned by Washington yes. :razz:


Man Soup, that was a funny question. :twisted: :razz: :lol:
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