Kruschev's Prediction

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Kruschev's Prediction

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A quote from a talk given by Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture, Ezra Taft Benson in 1968
I have talked face to face with the godless communist leaders. It may surprise you to learn that I was host to Mr. Kruschev for a half day when he visited the United States, not that I?m proud of it. I opposed his coming then, and I still feel it was a mistake to welcome this atheistic murderer as a state visitor. But, according to President Eisenhower, Kruschev had expressed a desire to learn something of American Agriculture ? and after seeing Russian agriculture I can understand why. As we talked face to face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his and all other grandchildren will live under freedom he arrogantly declaired in substance:
?You Americans are so gullible. No, you won?t accept communism outright, but we?ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you?ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won?t have to fight you. We?ll so weaken your economy until you?ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.?

And they?re ahead of schedule in their devilish scheme. (Ezra Taft Benson ?Our Immediate Responsibility.? Devotional Address at Brigham Young University. circa 1968.?)
I'm floored. How gullible indeed. How openly this country is embracing socialism. How eager we are to embrace a graduated tax system, one of the key points of the Communist Manifesto. How eager we are to punsih the rich and spread the wealth.
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From the Communist Manifesto:
In most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (How many people have had their property taken "for the public good"? How many people are crying for more land to be put into "the public trust"?)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
(Wanted for sure!)

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. (What do we do with the property of drug dealers, for instance?)

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Happening right now, isn't it?)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
(Roads, ferrys,...)

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (Going on in my town right now, forced by the government.)

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. (I'm sure I'm not the only one who has seen the two become indistinct.)

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
(Bolding mine, as are all parts in parenthesis.)



We haven't taken on the whole of their goals, but, we are well on our way to just what Mr. Kruschev predicted.
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And we're sucked in, just a little bit at a time, over and over.
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Booga-booga-booga-booga-booga!
Health care
Social Security
Police
Fire
and an endless list follows of what can be called socialism that we depend on to make it through American life. Tempered with capitalism is the only blend that works in the long run. Deny it if you like.

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Health care isn't socialism, but government funded health care is, as is Social Security.

Police and fire are not. They are part and parcel of what the government was originally founded for and what our constitution guarantees.

As for denial about socialism and capitalism together being the only blend that works, well, I do not believe that they are the only blend that works. My reasons come from my study of history and the conclusions I have drawn from what I have seen.
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awip2062 wrote: Police and fire are not. They are part and parcel of what the government was originally founded for and what our constitution guarantees.
And they are mostly local organizations... not federal. Communities take care of those things themselves.
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Hi, t! :-)
My reasons come from my study of history and the conclusions I have drawn from what I have seen.
Mine too. Plus I don't think we are either gullible or complacent enough (yet) to fall for the take-over of anything. Satanism, radical religiosity, socialism, communism, hippie-take-overs, conservative rule, nazism (sp), etc. are all way too specialized for our new, 21st century intelligence. If we have one thing to gloat over, it is that.

And if intelligence doesn't quite do it, I just got this:

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And thanks for setting me straight on a few things, bofe of you! I appreciate that.
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And the constitution set things up so that the federal government was to leave many many many things to the states and their local communities, although the feds have taken on "responsibilities" that they are not charged with.
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We may not be gullible enough yet for the complete take-over of anything, but such things come about bit-by-bit more often than not.
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awip2062 wrote:We may not be gullible enough yet for the complete take-over of anything, but such things come about bit-by-bit more often than not.
Which was exactly what Kruschev precdicted.

By the way, Hitler's Nazi party was not conservative. Nazi was short for Nationalist Socialist party if I remember right.
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We may not be gullible enough yet for the complete take-over of anything, but such things come about bit-by-bit more often than not.
True, but we have gone well over 200 years and so far, as you say, the only socialist bit we have accepted so far is social security, which will likely not exist when it comes time for us to collect it.

Aside:
I wonder how they'll try to explain away my 50 years of paying into it and getting nothing out of it in the end?

Me: "Where's my money?
Them: "Gone."
Me: BLAM!!!!
By the way, Hitler's Nazi party was not conservative. Nazi was short for Nationalist Socialist party if I remember right.
They were Christians as well, as I understand it, but we'd probably better not speak about that. *wink*
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All the watchdog groups will bring the hammer (and sicle) down if they
have to, unless the White House, Congress and Senate all go to democrat
control...and that makes me very very nervous.

With no checks and balances, they're free to revise policy in any way they
deem fit.

That really bothers me, but we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.
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Yes, they were the National Socialists.

Here are a few of Hitler's planks from a speech he gave:
Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land...

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
Other planks, however, were very heavy on the national.
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Started reading and saw this...

"The truth is that German Christians supported the Nazis because they believed that Adolf Hitler was a gift to the German people from God."

Dang... that sure looks familiar.
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