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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Politics Thoughts, Theories and Ponderables Reply with quote

so you lot still ponder here you go
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and I know the title should read political thoughts, theories and ponderables
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schu, you have stricken my funny bone. Laughing

Hey, how about that Obama? Pretty shady character, eh?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually reading about him in the National Enquirer...I read it every week...have done for years..and he's in it every week...and as brad and angie and jennifer Laughing

this weeks was about 10 questions that obama has to answer...or something like that...and as I read I pondered on whether to post the questions
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If any are good for a laugh or ponder, go for it!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

need to wait till I'm back home...im at my pal's for her birthday the now
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*rubs hands together* Funnies or ponderables.... mmmmmmmm yessssssssssssssssssss
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From MediaMythBusters.com

Key Points on Stimulus

by Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Feb 12th, 2009

Hat tip: Lorie Byrd

The Republican Whip?s Office just released the following information:

DEMOCRATS MADE TAX RELIEF SMALLER?

? Cut car credit (potentially from $11.5 billion to $2 billion)

? Cut ?Make Work Pay? credit from $500/individual to $400/individual, and
from $1,000/couple to $800/couple (approximately $28 billion less in tax
relief)

? Cut home buyer credit from $35 billion to $3-5 b (limited to first-time
home-buyers)

? Cut Net Operating Loss significantly to as little as $2 billion (makes it
only applicable to employers with $5 million or less in revenue?many
small businesses have high revenue but small profits, penalizing them)

? Percentage of Bill That President Obama Wanted for Tax Relief: 40%

? Percentage of ?Final? Democrat Spending Bill Dedicated for Tax Relief: 26%

? Percentage of ?Final? Democrat Spending Bill Dedicated for Tax Relief
Minus the Alternative Minimum Tax Patch, Which Doesn?t Provide any
American with new Tax Relief: 17.5%

?TO ADD MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING

? $9 billion for school construction was added back in (originally cut by
Nelson-Collins)

? $5 billion increase for the state fiscal stabilization fund (originally cut by
Nelson-Collins), making it a grand total of $53.6 billion

? $2 billion for neighborhood stabilization program, money for groups like
ACORN

? $1 billion added back for Prevention & Wellness Programs, including STD
education

? Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research
was added back in, leading Americans down the path towards healthcare
rationing (63 patient advocacy groups signed a letter voicing their
concerns with this provision)

(BUT, NOT INFRASTRUCTURE)

? Money for highways and bridges was cut by $1 billion from the House-
passed level

KEY POINTS:

? Tax relief to help middle class families and small businesses was sharply
pared back in order to increase government spending. Public opinion
over the last 4 weeks has shown that Americans overwhelming believe
tax cuts, and not government spending, are a better way to stimulate the
economy.

? Approximately $75 billion in true tax relief was CUT from the Nelson-
Collins package. So, while the overall size of the package may have
gotten slightly smaller, the spending actually increased.

A COMPARISON OF THE FINAL DEMOCRAT STIMULUS BILL AND THE
HOUSE REPUBLICAN ALTERNATIVE

COST:

? Cost of the Final Democrat Bill: $790 Billion

? Cost of the House Republican Alternative: $477 Billion

JOBS:

? Number of Jobs Created by the Democrat Bill: 3.5 million

? Number of Jobs Created by the House Republican Alternative: 6.2 million

??????-

Tax Relief for Working Families

House Republican Alternative - Tax relief for 100% of income taxpayers:

? Minimum average relief would be $500 per year

? Most families would see relief closer to $1,500 per year

? A married couple see relief as high as $3,200 a year

Final Democrat Bill - Tax relief phased-out for some income taxpayers.

? Benefit capped at $400 a year for an individual and $800 a year for a
married couple

??????-

Tax Relief for Small Businesses

House Republican Alternative- Tax deduction equal to 20% of their income
for those small businesses with 500 or fewer employees

Final Democrat Bill - No provision

??????-

Tax Relief for Employers

House Republican Alternative- Allow employers to offset their current
losses against past tax liabilities (net operating loss carryback)

Final Democrat Bill - While initially identical, the final bill limited this
benefit to firms with limited income, leaving out not only large
employers, but also many small businesses. Initially research indicated
that over 290,000 employers, with a combined total of over 77 million
employees, could be excluded from this tax relief as a result of this last
minute change.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I've been wondering as I look at the packages they've been presenting...so where is the money for the average individual. I suppose the average person is supposed to see our stimulus come in the form of more work or, just plain work.

But the work being provided by this bill seems to be mainly in construction and green industries. Quite a small fraction of the population is employed in these industries.

Perhaps they are looking at it as, if one benefits all will benefit as the one will do more/spend more/pay more taxes?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is only a matter of time before the public wakes up.

This "stimulus" has nothing to do with creating jobs. This administration has said that it is about jobs because that is the only way the average American will refrain from lynching them as they pass such a social program.

Had the average American taken sufficient time to think this through, we would have realized that very little will actually be done to stimulate the economy over the long run. Some jobs will be created, but they will not outnumber those lost, and even they will go away when the construction is over. The roads, bridges, and other infrastructure projects will do absolutely nothing to continue contributing to the economy after the job wraps up. Anyone involved in the construction industry knows that it requires a lot of moving because no job lasts forever.

This stimulus will do no more in the long run than draw more Americans into the lifestyle of hoping on the government. When they realize the government is actually limited, and cannot provide everything, they will be rather disillusioned.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe this was in the NYT, but here goes:

Viva Hate: The Case for Partisanship

Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 8:38 AM

Over at the NYT today, op-ed contributor James Morone pokes holes
in "bipartisanship"

Roosevelt and Reagan reveal the dirty rotten secret of bipartisanship:

It happens only when one side is cowed, beaten or frightened.

More competitive elections mean more ardent debates.

And so it should be. Our government is designed that way.

In the Federalist Papers, James Madison offered his bold solution to the
problem of clashing interests: more clashing interests.

?Ambition must be made to counteract ambition,? he declared.

In that way, our partisan debates are no shame. The clash and bluster
may not sound pretty, but they are how we choose between great
principles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/opinion/17morone.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

President Obama?s 2,000-point Tumble

By Michelle Malkin ? February 17, 2009 10:37 AM


On Nov. 4, after Barack Obama clinched the White House, the market
closed at 9,625.28.

In mid-morning trading today, (the day President Obama signs his massive
"Generational Theft Act" into law; and a day before he unveils a massive
new mortgage entitlement)...

The Dow dropped to to 7,606.53.



****wait for it....wait for it....****

Now, imagine if President Bush had presided over a 2,000-point stock
market tumble in the same time period ? during the first few months of
his presidency....


Great start, O.

Just sayin.'


***I can't WAIT to see what the MSM says about this. Hold on to your
carbon footprint - the shit's hittin' the fan...Maybe.***
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the market fall is a vote of no confidence in the stimulus package. The free market minds behind the stock market are well aware that throwing money at a problem is never the answer.

More money doesn't fix something that is broken. Removing the flaw is the only way to "unbroke"something. In this case, it is to stop lending money to those who cannot repay, and stop propping up business that cannot turn a profit.


When will these lawmakers get this one figured out?

That's what happens when we, the people, give power to people who couldn't hold a private sector job due to inability to produce real results.


The Stimulus package should be featured in the "FAILED" thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

***Listens/watches for liberal outrage***


nuthin' but crickets so far.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chicago Tribune calls on Senator Burris to Resign


Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Posted by: John Hanlon at 10:21 PM

Politico.com is now reporting that the Chicago Tribune is calling on Illinois
Senator Roland Burris to resign.

The Tribune editorial notes:

The benefit of the doubt had already been stretched thin and taut by the
time Roland Burris offered his third version of the events leading to his
appointment to the U.S. Senate.

It finally snapped like a rubber band, popping him on that long Pinocchio
nose of his, when he came out with version four.

When former Governor Rod Blagojevich appointed Burris to the Senate
seat, many analysts and pundits trusted Burris. However, over the past
few days, that trust has quickly eroded as new stories about Burris have
come out.

Townhall's own Amanda Carpenter reported one story about him on
Saturday. Now, there have been increasing calls for a Senate
investigation of Burris.

Burris is quickly becoming a major headache for the Democratic Party
and for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Ironically, it was just a few weeks ago that Burris was blocked from
taking his seat in the United States Senate because of the questions
surrounding his appointment in the first place...

http://townhall.com/blog/g/2a99b22a-2648-4599-bcde-16104cf8a6ab
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