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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Soldiers - Are They Heroes? Reply with quote

I've been watching a debate going on in a Facebook group called "Soldiers are not heroes". The group is against the "hero-worship" of people in the Armed Forces. As you can imagine, some have joined simply to call group members names and say that they don't know anything about being a soldier.



What do you think? Are soldiers heroes?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a great deal of respect for anyone who answers a call to a cause greater than themselves.

"No greater love hath any man than one who would lay down his life for a friend." It is an awesome thing in my eyes when a person would put him/her self in harm's way on behalf of another.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fight selflessly, for their country so nobodies can voice their opinion about how terrible they are, if thats not being a hero, I don't know what is. They obviously aren't doing it for thanks or satisfaction, as they will get neither.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sucks they don't get the thank they deserve. I mean they do, but it's not always real sincere. I don't think they are all heroes, but a hell of a lot of them are.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree they aren't all heroes because I know that there are those who do horrible things to innocent people on purpose. Those are the rare few, though.

The way I see it is that anyone who would choose to put himself in a position to die in order to secure my freedoms is a hero.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree with the war BUT how could you not commend someone for risking their life (or giving it) for the country they love? If they're not heroes, then WHO IS?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How nice, they all agree on this.

I'm still watching the debate and it's getting hot. Actually, it was hot when I found it.

Some are saying that soldiers are not heroes because they invade other countries and participate in senseless bloodshed. They put their morals away for a while when they go to war and become legal murderers, showing no mercy and extreme brutality.

Others say they are heroes, using the "they fight for our freedom" line. They protect this country from the ones who want to destroy it, putting their lives on the line so you don't have to.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiden wrote:
How nice, they all agree on this.

I'm still watching the debate and it's getting hot. Actually, it was hot when I found it.

Some are saying that soldiers are not heroes because they invade other countries and participate in senseless bloodshed. They put their morals away for a while when they go to war and become legal murderers, showing no mercy and extreme brutality.

Others say they are heroes, using the "they fight for our freedom" line. They protect this country from the ones who want to destroy it, putting their lives on the line so you don't have to.


Funny thing is, all those calling the soldiers "Legal Murderers" and such are the pants shitters of the world that abuse their freedoms given to them by those same murders. Ain't free speech a bitch???
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: Soldiers - Are They Heroes? Reply with quote

Raiden wrote:
I've been watching a debate going on in a Facebook group called "Soldiers are not heroes". The group is against the "hero-worship" of people in the Armed Forces. As you can imagine, some have joined simply to call group members names and say that they don't know anything about being a soldier.



What do you think? Are soldiers heroes?


Damned right they're heroes.

It just goes to show how ass-backwards we are as a country - when the
mainstream media would rather glorify Michael Jackson's DUBIOUS death
every day for two weeks straight - than the ultimate sacrifices of our
brave troops ON A DAILY BASIS.

This is rediculous.

The group should be grateful that they have the RIGHT to print and
spew their bravo sierra.

They should get a clue, swallow their foolish pride and thank the troops
for protecting their right to say the stupid shit they say.

Dis-missed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the group's description.

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Does the thought of hero worshipping our armed forces make you want to vomit your spleen out?

Are you fed up of being told that soldiers deserve constant gushing praise?

Stand up and show members of the armed forces what you really think of their participation in needless bloodshed.

This group is a parody of the groups "support your soldiers in uniform!!!" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11911667121 and "we support the british army WHEREVER they may be fighting!" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2256999745

This group is intended to point out the absurdity of the many groups on Facebook that portray all soldiers to be heroes and shower the armed forces with unconditional praise.

Putting on a soldiers uniform does not make you a hero.

Supporters of the group generally agree that the wars that our armed forces are participating in at the present time and in recent years are unnecessary and unjust. Therefore we don't feel that we should be pressured into offering "support" to people fighting and killing innocent people for causes that we don't believe in.

We recognise that the government are mainly to blame but also think that members of the forces need to take responsibility for their own actions in choosing to support these causes. Soldiers have free will and the opportunity to not sign/re-sign up if they feel they are being asked to participate in an unjust war, so they also deserve a proportion of the blame if they choose to stay.

We also find it amusing how so many of those who claim to "protect our freedoms of speech" tell us to shut up, or be duffed up.

Soldiers are not heroes. They can be heroes, they can act heroically, they can do heroic things - but the act of putting on a uniform and agreeing to put your conscience in a lockbox for the next so many years does not make your life more important than others, it does not make your opinions and insights more worthy of respect than others, it does not exempt you from moral judgement. It does not make you a hero.

And we should not fall prey to hero-worship.?
http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2008/06/heroics.html

We have the right to peacefully protest against these groups protesting (with needless threats) against our peaceful protests against the forces

THIS GROUP ISN?T A SOLDIER HATRED GROUP, JUST A GROUP AGAINST THE HERO WORSHIP OF SOLDIERS


The odd thing is, those who think soldiers ARE heroes are insulting and threatening this group (the description does not lie, I saw it), whereas the group members aren't stooping to such a low level.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to look at this fluster cluck at facebook today and I have only one thing to say about it.............................











Nevermind, I don't want to blow up By-Tor's band width.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiden wrote:
THIS GROUP ISN?T A SOLDIER HATRED GROUP, JUST A GROUP AGAINST THE HERO WORSHIP OF SOLDIERS


If it looks like a duck.... Rolling Eyes Razz

Straight up though, there are trolls on both sides of every fence.

I agree with Hairy: "Ain't free speech a bitch?"

It's the ultimate paradox, but the bottom line remains:

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE.

Hey, I just had a brainfart!

I think I'll form A GROUP AGIANST THE HERO WORSHIP OF CELEBRITIES.

It's only fair.

(Unless of course, one is a Obama-worshipping liberal moonbat.
In which case, it would totally piss one off, but that's the beauty of
democracy too. But enjoy democracy while you can, as we march, four
abreast, to the re-education camps and shovel-ready Gulags of Obama
socialism.)

In other news, it's been confirmed - Michael Jackson is still dead.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ponder this for a moment:




They travel miles in the heat....





They risk their lives crossing a border....





They don't get paid enough wages....





They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do....





They live in crowded conditions, among a people who speak a different
language....






They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day - every day.




Think I'm talking about illegal Mexicans?




Sorry....Wrong answer - but thanks for playing.




I'm talking about THE TROOPS.



Doesn't it suck that Democrats AND Republicans are willing to lavish all
kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops, and
are even threatening to defund them?



...just thought I'd share a "Hero Worship of Soldiers" moment with the
board.


Those of us blessed with even a shred of common sense call this REALITY.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE MARINE

We all came together,
Both young and old
To fight for our freedom,
To stand and be bold.

In the midst of all evil,
We stand our ground,
And we protect our country
From all terror around.

Peace and not war,
Is what some people say.
But I'll give my life,
So you can live the American way

I give you the right
To talk of your peace.
To stand in your groups,
and protest in our streets.

But still I fight on,
I don't fuss, I don't whine.
I'm just one of the people
who is doing your time.

I'm harder than nails,
Stronger than any machine.
I'm the immortal soldier,
I'm a U.S. MARINE.

So stand in my shoes,
And leave from your home.
Fight for the people who hate you,
With the protests they've shown.

Fight for the stranger,
Fight for the young.
So they all may have,
The greatest freedom you've won

Fight for the sick,
Fight for the poor
Fight for the cripple,
Who lives next door.

But when your time comes,
Do what I've done.
For if you stand up for freedom,
You'll stand when the fight's done

By: Cpl. Gilbert, USMC
USS SAIPAN, PERSIAN GULF

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im like Xan here..I really dont agree with war...would absolute hate it if my kids joined the army..being honest...but the ones that do.. are they heroes..yes..for definate they are

but then again so are firemen, policemen, nurses, doctors...in my eyes many occupations are heroes..just a pity-dont know about the american soldiers- but the british ones are getting treated like shit...not from the general public but from the government..then again the nurses and firemen here get treated like shit as well...
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