Why Bush has never vetoed a law/bill...

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Why Bush has never vetoed a law/bill...

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WASHINGTON -- President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.

Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ''whistle-blower" protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.

Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush's assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ''to take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ''execute" a law he believes is unconstitutional.

Former administration officials contend that just because Bush reserves the right to disobey a law does not mean he is not enforcing it: In many cases, he is simply asserting his belief that a certain requirement encroaches on presidential power.

But with the disclosure of Bush's domestic spying program, in which he ignored a law requiring warrants to tap the phones of Americans, many legal specialists say Bush is hardly reluctant to bypass laws he believes he has the constitutional authority to override.

Far more than any predecessor, Bush has been aggressive about declaring his right to ignore vast swaths of laws -- many of which he says infringe on power he believes the Constitution assigns to him alone as the head of the executive branch or the commander in chief of the military.

Many legal scholars say they believe that Bush's theory about his own powers goes too far and that he is seizing for himself some of the law-making role of Congress and the Constitution-interpreting role of the courts.

Phillip Cooper, a Portland State University law professor who has studied the executive power claims Bush made during his first term, said Bush and his legal team have spent the past five years quietly working to concentrate ever more governmental power into the White House.

''There is no question that this administration has been involved in a very carefully thought-out, systematic process of expanding presidential power at the expense of the other branches of government," Cooper said. ''This is really big, very expansive, and very significant."
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What gets me about this is that the line-item veto was ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS back in the 90's and this practice has less visibility, less transparency and no checks & balances.

Dubya must think judicial activism is fine, so long as it occurs in the executive branch.

Methinks the SCOTUS should rule this practice unconstitutional too.
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Bush's spying program? What about Clinton's? And what about the fact that Patrick Leahy, in 1994, co-writting a law that forced telecommunications carriers to build convenient wiretap features into their networks enabling the kind of telephone records collection now at the heart of the controversy over the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance operation?
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Oh Oh... :roll:
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Well....?
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I don't really have a take.... I do not like to be spied on but if it prevents another attack on Americans or other innocent bystanders, well sometimes you have to sacrifice. Maybe this would have prevented 9/11. Who knows. You could say we have not been attacked since. so maybe it is not a bad idea.
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What I want to know is why the press, for the most part, ignores the fact that this was going on before Bush. And has been helped along by Democrats as well as Republicans.
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because the press is liberal biased which is why listen to Fox News.
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Excuse my harsh laughter and elitist snear. This may take a while.
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I will wait for your response :-D
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Firstly, I can't tell if you're being scarcastic or not, but the US media are too corporate and homogenized to be truly liberal. A classical liberal campaigns for reform based on social programs and accurate research based on empirical fact. Democrats (and their media lapdogs) merely campaign to expand government bureaucracy in exchange for greater political power. The democrats fuck people over just as badly as the republicans, they just use vasoline.

Watch the BBC or CBC, and then watch our American newscasts for what they are: a pathetic joke.

And cable isn't any better.

FOX: the mouthpiece of the GOP

MSNBC: tabloid wacko TV, ready to do a story on the "batboy from mars" any day now

CNN: toothless corporate blowboys, unwilling to do any real investigative journalism, and preoccupied with celebrity gossip
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awip2062 wrote:Bush's spying program? What about Clinton's? And what about the fact that Patrick Leahy, in 1994, co-writting a law that forced telecommunications carriers to build convenient wiretap features into their networks enabling the kind of telephone records collection now at the heart of the controversy over the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance operation?
You mean this bill?

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a27337612f5.htm

Yeah, that was a stupid law, but I've never heard of Clinton using it. Roosavelt spied on people through their phone records, but he was paranoid about Japanese spies, and threw all the US citizens and resident aliens with Japanese heritage into internment camps. Bastardly thing to do.

And the republicans were complaining about the law back then. Funny how the importance of privacy vanishes with the threat of a massive and omnipresent enemy. That's how fascism works. Democracy is easily perverted to worship of authority, when state power is able to convince the electorate that duty to the government superceedes duty to the country and citizens.

The notion of an everpresent foreign enemy is the easiest way to do this. Give the populace someone to hate, and they wilfully oppress each other.


And in other news, the GOP-led Senate committee which has been promising to launch a real Congressional investigation into wiretapping (even pubicly stating that it IS illegal) may do a 180 and shit can the investigation altogether.

I think I'm going to be violently ill
Senate intelligence committee member Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) said in an interview that he supports the NSA program and would oppose a congressional investigation. He said he is drafting legislation that would "specifically authorize this program" by excluding it from the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which established a secret court to consider government requests for wiretap warrants in anti-terrorist investigations.
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awip2062 wrote:What I want to know is why the press, for the most part, ignores the fact that this was going on before Bush. ...
Because they found Monica more interesting?
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Devil's Advocate wrote: Because they found Monica more interesting?
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DA! Don't drop over dead when you read this....but.......

I think we agree on something!
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t!!!....you've killed DA!!!! :shock:
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Devil's Advocate wrote:
awip2062 wrote:What I want to know is why the press, for the most part, ignores the fact that this was going on before Bush. ...
Because they found Monica more interesting?
Because the Monica thing covered up the Bullshit going on in Serbia. "Wag the Dog anyone?"
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