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GUN CONTROL
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Mr. Potatoe Head
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This is an update to the rampant crime in the city of philadelphia.
Yesterday a suspect shot 3 people in a car as a police officer drove up and he got shot in the shoulder too, they found that suspect dead in the river in the wee hours of the morning. Today another police officer got shot in the head and the police are kicking in doors, going house to house. A real bad situation down there and I think it's time to call in the National Guard. More than the days in a year has people been killed by guns this year and it's a ways to go before Jan 1 2008. This is the 3rd cop shot in 4 days
In all 29 cops have been shot at this year, seems little respect for the law.
Yesterday a suspect shot 3 people in a car as a police officer drove up and he got shot in the shoulder too, they found that suspect dead in the river in the wee hours of the morning. Today another police officer got shot in the head and the police are kicking in doors, going house to house. A real bad situation down there and I think it's time to call in the National Guard. More than the days in a year has people been killed by guns this year and it's a ways to go before Jan 1 2008. This is the 3rd cop shot in 4 days
In all 29 cops have been shot at this year, seems little respect for the law.
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Mr. Potatoe Head
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That's just messed up, most police are OK wanting to protect and serve.
q)How do you capture (or assasinate) Osama bin Laden?CygnusX1 wrote:Invite 100 rednecks with a hunting permit and they'll clean it up.
a) Give 200 rednecks a hunting permit, drop them in Afghanistan, and tell them he is responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.
EDIT- on a more serious note (I totally forgot to add this part) there is no excuse for whats going on in Philly, and quite frankly the National Guard may be one of the few viable solutions.
Hells yeah. Praise the Lord and pass the Remington.YYZ30 wrote:Give 200 rednecks a hunting permit, drop them in Afghanistan, and tell them he is responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.
**packs magazine with 3" magnum double-ought "thug" rounds**
**psyches up with Pantera "Walk" lyrics**
"RE.....SPECT....WALK....YOU-TALKIN'-TO-MEEEE???
....WALK ON HOME BOY"
Don't start none...won't be none.
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Mr. Potatoe Head
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Yeah that was sad Bro. He was just having coffee and they shot himMr. Potatoe Head wrote:The cop died and they still haven't caught the maggot piece of shit.
during a robbery.
I hope the lowlifes burn in Hell. But wait....there's more...
We saw some Philly homies gettin' their front door broke down by
the cops yesterday on our news....oh it's ON.
I hope they do the right thing and remove them from the gene pool.
Don't start none...won't be none.
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Mr. Potatoe Head
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Yep' don't need pieces of shit like that creating more.
Actually he was checking the place out because it had got robbed earlier in the month like he did most days. He was told there might be a robbery going on when he got out of his car and you would think with 25 years on the force he would of backed away and called for back up. When he opened the door the scum bag popped him in the head, he didn't have a chance. Besides the cops need coffee just like the rest of us yet he wasn't there for that at least not just for that and who cares there job is stressful enough. With that said; I also realize that there are asshole cops too.
Still it HAS been out of hand in Philly for awhile now.
Actually he was checking the place out because it had got robbed earlier in the month like he did most days. He was told there might be a robbery going on when he got out of his car and you would think with 25 years on the force he would of backed away and called for back up. When he opened the door the scum bag popped him in the head, he didn't have a chance. Besides the cops need coffee just like the rest of us yet he wasn't there for that at least not just for that and who cares there job is stressful enough. With that said; I also realize that there are asshole cops too.
Still it HAS been out of hand in Philly for awhile now.
This is old news, but worth posting for the gun control thread:
From 2006:
A dirtbag who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop in Florida
ended up executing the deputy who stopped him.
The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right
ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police
dog killed. A statewide manhunt ensued.
The lowlife was found hiding in a wooded area with his gun.
SWAT team officers fired and hit the guy 68 times.
Now here's the kicker:
Naturally, the media asked why they shot him 68 times.
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel:
"That's all the bullets we had."
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This was a bad guy.
This clearly falls under the Southern defense
strategy "He needed killin'."
For more, see:
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
From 2006:
A dirtbag who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop in Florida
ended up executing the deputy who stopped him.
The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right
ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police
dog killed. A statewide manhunt ensued.
The lowlife was found hiding in a wooded area with his gun.
SWAT team officers fired and hit the guy 68 times.
Now here's the kicker:
Naturally, the media asked why they shot him 68 times.
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel:
"That's all the bullets we had."
*************************************
This was a bad guy.
This clearly falls under the Southern defense
strategy "He needed killin'."
For more, see:
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
Don't start none...won't be none.
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ElfDude
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"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840
Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest. -- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.
"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." -- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court
Militias, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. [...] To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. -- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment
False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book
Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788
"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788
Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen. -- "M.T. Cicero", in a newspaper letter of 1788 touching the "militia" referred to in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... -- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
The danger (where there is any) from armed citizens, is only to the *government*, not to *society*; and as long as they have nothing to revenge in the government (which they cannot have while it is in their own hands) there are many advantages in their being accustomed to the use of arms, and no possible disadvantage. -- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders", 1792-93
[The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies the hand and brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces totally destroys the moral [force]; and men lose at once the power of protecting themselves, and of discerning the cause of their oppression. -- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders", 1792-93
The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of. -- Albert Gallatin, Oct 7 1789
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840
Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest. -- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.
"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." -- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court
Militias, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. [...] To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. -- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment
False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book
Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788
"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788
Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen. -- "M.T. Cicero", in a newspaper letter of 1788 touching the "militia" referred to in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... -- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
The danger (where there is any) from armed citizens, is only to the *government*, not to *society*; and as long as they have nothing to revenge in the government (which they cannot have while it is in their own hands) there are many advantages in their being accustomed to the use of arms, and no possible disadvantage. -- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders", 1792-93
[The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies the hand and brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces totally destroys the moral [force]; and men lose at once the power of protecting themselves, and of discerning the cause of their oppression. -- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders", 1792-93
The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of. -- Albert Gallatin, Oct 7 1789
Aren't you the guy who hit me in the eye?
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ElfDude
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Then the next time I play poker, I'm gonna demand we play with "living rules" so that I can always win.awip2062 wrote:No fair! You quoted Founding Fathers regarding the document. We all know it is a living document, so it doesn't mean the same thing now that they meant it to back then.
Aren't you the guy who hit me in the eye?