Hold Your Fire

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Post by Slaine mac Roth » Sat May 08, 2004 8:28 pm

I think I'd have to say that my favourites are Open Secrets, Mission and Tai Shan. The only one I've never really got into is High Water but I think that is due to it being the last song and, as HYF is a walkman mainstay, I usually get to where I'm going but I get to hear it.
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Post by PV » Wed May 19, 2004 7:19 pm

"Second Nature" So true... "It ought to be second nature, at least that's what I feel. Now I lay me down in dreamland, I know perfect's not for real."
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Post by Mr. Bill » Thu May 20, 2004 10:30 pm

To me HYF represents "Smooth Rush".

PoW was sharp and definite. Like Neil's smaller toms "popping" at the start of "Big $". Sharper still on GD and so on.

HYF was like milk. Wide rich layers. Not dark - just thick.

"Turn The Page" and "Prime Mover" my favs - I think. "Mission" still chokes me up and I love the pile driver on FT! I always had a unsure feeling about TSS. Not sure why.

It's kind of funny how then they went back to even a shaper and more defined sound on Presto. Snappier again.

HYF should have been called Got Milk! It amazes me how they are never scared to change. VT wasn't smooth or sharp - more "loose" than anything to a point of nearly drunk! But the power on VT hasn't been heard in a long time.

HYF is one great record. What's a record?

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Post by *Lifesonite » Thu May 20, 2004 10:32 pm

Alex is really good on Time Stand Still 8)
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Post by Mr. Bill » Fri May 21, 2004 7:24 am

Yes he is 'nite. I completely agree.

But there is something about that song that doesn't seem right to me. The emotion in Geddy's singing is great. The concept and lyrics are great.

Maybe its Aimee's voice that never sat well with me. But it's more than that too. The tempo is disjointed to me somehow. I'll likely never understand what "it" is about it.

I remember when it was released on radio and a lot of people who never gave Rush the time of day said "wow...that's impressive". The song pushed them further into the mainstream. One reason I believe is that eveyone could relate to the concept.

When I hear Ged sing "If I could slow it all down" - I still get huge goose bumps, but in the end the song is missing something (to me).

I know it's a beautiful song - I know a lot of fans put it in a special place - it's just one I would have tinkered with some more.

In my best Robin Leach voice: "And I don't know why"!

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Post by *Lifesonite » Fri May 21, 2004 8:23 am

It sounds funny to me too, but I don't mind :P The sound is not thick at all on the song.
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Post by Fridge » Mon May 24, 2004 3:05 am

Ah, Hold You Fire...

The last "great" Rush album IMO.

An incredibly smooth, polished creation with excellent use of keyboards and razor sharp signature guitar. Very much of it's time, it captured that late 80's ambience perfectly.

Some fine songs here, with the sublime "Open Secrets", "Nission" and "Turn The Page" being particular stand outs. As a bass player, this album is a veritable feast, and has given me many hours of enjoyable finger twisting...Still don't know how he can play Turn the Page and sing at the same time...B@st@rd!

However, IMO the only thing elevating this album to Hemispheres, PEW,MP status is the last two songs, which are pretty dire..but thats what skip buttons are for..

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Post by Sir Myghin » Mon May 24, 2004 12:12 pm

So you play bass eh fridge? cool stuff. I'll admit this album is fun to play, but not challenging in my opinion, i still sit back and jam it to relax, very fun but it does just that, allow me to relax.

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Post by Fridge » Mon May 24, 2004 3:20 pm

Sir Myghin wrote:So you play bass eh fridge? cool stuff. I'll admit this album is fun to play, but not challenging in my opinion, i still sit back and jam it to relax, very fun but it does just that, allow me to relax.
Yes, I know what you mean... I have played Bass for about 18 years, but for the last few years I have been working at sea, so am away from home (and my bass) for long periods of time...as a consequence I get rusty, and almost have to relearn my style every time I am home...Its frustrating not being able to gig anymore, so my playing has suffered as a result.

It depends what you mean about challenging. Sure, its easy enough to learn the lines, but to write them in the first place? Thats another matter entirely. Nowadays, I am more of a songwriter than a bass player., though one day I hope to come back to work on dry land, and get playing in a band again, which is what its all about really
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Post by Sir Myghin » Mon May 24, 2004 5:35 pm

Fridge wrote: It depends what you mean about challenging. Sure, its easy enough to learn the lines, but to write them in the first place? Thats another matter entirely. Nowadays, I am more of a songwriter than a bass player., though one day I hope to come back to work on dry land, and get playing in a band again, which is what its all about really
Very cool, i am a young song writer myself, i try to write simply on the platform that, play how you want, avoid everything about the mainstream because now it sucks, i suppose my bass carries a fair deal of rush infleunce but that can't be help once your enlightened

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Post by H3WMW » Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:39 am

Hold Your Fire was the first CD of Rush I ever bought. I love it and my favourite songs are Turn The Page and Prime Mover.

A brilliant album.

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Post by EndlesslyRocking » Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:43 am

I think Force Ten deserves a mention too, along with Prime Mover. Some great stuff on HYF.
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Post by Sir Myghin » Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:06 pm

aye those basslines are happening force ten i got so into i rattled that siding on my house, my amp was only half up, lol i was playing really hard , heheh , usually have to go at least to 6/6 volume/gain to rattle stuff

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Post by Rod Torkelson » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:43 pm

I listened to it the other day for the first time in a long while...my assessment was "better than I remembered, but ultimately not what I was hoping for". I don't know if this comment makes sense, but...there are alot of great moments, highlights, and sounds on HYF, but not many great songs (IMO of course). I'd still give it a 3 outta 5 'tho...

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