Politics Thoughts, Theories and Ponderables

[zepboy]

Good, better than I deserve, but it ain't got nothing to do with the admin! lol

[awip2062]

The Catholic church chose that day to celebrate His birth many years after His life here.

I thought a Roman Emperor chose Dec. 25 because it used to be a day of
sin under previous rule?

Some say Catholic Church because it was a holy day of another religion they were trying to be rid of (most common reason I hear) some say Roman Emperor. Others say because it was nine months from the date the Church thought was His conception date.

Who knows the real reason! LOL

[Walkinghairball]

I say they threw a dart at a calendar and there you go.

[awip2062]

That works for me. The way I see it, it doesn't matter which day we celebrate His birth on, or we would have been told what day it was. In fact, there is no requirement that we celebrate it at all.

[zepboy]

Surely we don't need a requirement . . .Life is about more than rules!

[Big Blue Owl]

Approximately 1000 years before the birth of Jesus

Attis of Phrygia
--Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana.
--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers
--His priests were ?eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.?
--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
--On ?Black Friday,? he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
--He descended into the underworld.
--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the ?Most High God.
Dionysus/Bacchus
Dionysus or Bacchus is thought of as being Greek, but he is a remake of the Egyptian god Osiris, whose cult extended throughout a large part of the ancient world for thousands of years. Dionysus?s religion was well-developed in Thrace, northeast of Greece, and Phrygia, which became Galatia, where Attis also later reigned. Although a Dionysus is best remembered for the rowdy celebrations in his name, which was Latinized as Bacchus, he had many other functions and contributed several aspects to the Jesus character:

--Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger.
--He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
--He ?rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.?
--He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
--Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.
--He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
--He was called ?King of Kings? and ?God of Gods.?
--He was considered the ?Only Begotten Son,? Savior,? ?Redeemer,? ?Sin Bearer,? Anointed One,? and the ?Alpha and Omega.?
--He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
--His sacrificial title of ?Dendrites? or ?Young Man of the Tree? intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

As Walker says, Dionysus was ?a prototype of Christ with a cult center at Jerusalem,? where during the 1st century BCE he was worshiped by Jews . . . Dionysus/Bacchus?s symbol was ?IHS? or ?IES,? which became ?Iesus? or ?Jesus.? The ?IHS? is used to this day in Catholic liturgy and iconography.

Horus/Osiris of Egypt
In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in ?I and my Father are one.? Concerning Osiris, Walker says:

Of all savior-gods worshiped at the beginning of the Christian era, Osiris may have contributed
more details to the evolving Christ figure than any other. Already very old in Egypt, Osiris was
identified with nearly every other Egyptian god and was on the way to absorbing them all. He
had well over 200 divine names. He was called the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods.
He was the Resurrection and the Life, the Good Shepherd, Eternity and Everlastingness, the god
who ?made men and women to be born again.? Budge says, ?From first to last, Osiris was to the
Egyptians the god-man who suffered, an died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in heaven.
They believed that they would inherit eternal life, just as he had done . . .?
Osiris?s coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and
Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly to Osiris?s star in the east, Sirius (Sothis),
significator of his birth . . .
Certainly Osiris was a prototypical Messiah, as well as a devoured Host. His flesh was eaten
in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the ?plant of Truth.? . . . The cult of Osiris contributed
a number of ideas and phrases to the Bible. The 23rd Psalm copied an Egyptian text appealing
to Osiris the Good Shepherd to lead the deceased to the ?green pastures? and ?still waters? of the
nefer-nefer land, to restore the soul to the body, and to give protection in the valley of the shadow
of death (the Tuat). The Lord?s Prayer was prefigured by an Egyptian hymn to Osiris-Amen
beginning, ?O Amen, O Amen, who are in heaven.? Amen was also invoked at the end of every
prayer.

As Col. James Chruchward naively exclaims, ?The teachings of Osiris and Jesus are wonderfully alike. Many passages are identically the same, word for word.?

Osiris was also the god of the vine and a great travelling teacher who civilized the world. He was the ruler and judge of the dead. In his passion, Osiris was plotted against and killed by Set and ?the 72.? Like that of Jesus, Osiris?s resurrection served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal.

Osiris?s ?son? or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:

--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named ?Seb? (?Joseph?).
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by ?Anup the Baptizer? (?John the Baptist?), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his ?witnesses? and were named ?Anup? and ?Aan? (the two ?Johns?).
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (?El-Osiris?), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was ?Iusa,? the ?ever-becoming son? of ?Ptah,? the ?Father.? He was thus called ?Holy Child.?
--He delivered a ?Sermon on the Mount? and his followers recounted the ?Sayings of Iusa.?
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the ?Way, the Truth, the Light,? ?Messiah,? ?God?s Anointed Son,? ?the ?Son of Man,? the ?Good Shepherd,? the ?Lamb of God,? the ?Word made flesh,? the ?Word of Truth,? etc.
--He was ?the Fisher? and was associated with the Fish (?Ichthys?), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called ?the KRST,? or ?Anointed One.?
--Like Jesus, ?Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years.?

Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus? alleged advent] on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph the ?Holy Ghost,? impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended bh three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis?the original ?Madonna and Child.? As Massey says:

It was the Gnostic art that reproduced the Hathor-Meri and Horus of Egypt as the Virgin
and child-Christ of Rome . . . You poor idiotai, said the Gnostics [to the early Christians],
you have mistaken the mysteries of old for modern history, and accepted literally all that
was only meant mystically

Krishna of India

The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah Krishna number in the hundreds, particularly when the early Christian texts now considered apocrypha are factored in. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was ?Christna,? which reveals its relation to ?Christ.? Also, in Bengali, Krishna is reputedly ?Christos,? which is the same as the Greek for ?Christ? and which the soldiers of Alexander the Great called Krishna. It should be further noted that, as with Jesus, Buddha and Osiris, many people have believed and continue to believe in a historical Krishna. The following is a partial list of the correspondences between Jesus and Krishna:
--Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (?Divine One?) on December 25.
--His earthly father was a carpenter, who was off in the city paying tax while Krishna was born.
--His birth was signaled by a star in the east and attended by angels and shepherds, at which time he was presented with spices.
--The heavenly hosts danced and sang at his birth.
--He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
--Krishna was anointed on the head with oil by a woman whom he healed.
--He is depicted as having his foot on the head of a serpent.
--He worked miracles and wonders, raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
--Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love, and he ?lived poor and he loved the poor.?
--He castigated the clergy, charging them with ?ambition and hypocrisy . . . Tradition says he fell victim to their vengeance.?
--Krishna?s ?beloved disciple? was Arjuina or Ar-jouan (Jouhn).
--He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
--He gave his disciples the ability to work miracles.
--His path was ?strewn with branches.?
--In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
--Krishna was killed around the age of 30, and the sun darkened at his death.
--He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven ?in the sight of all men.?
--He was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet, as well as having a heart emblem on his clothing.
--Krishna is the ?lion of the tribe of Saki.?
--He was called the ?Shepherd of God? and considered the ?Redeemer,? ?Firstborn,? ?Sin-Bearer,? ?Liberator,? ?Universal Word.?
--He was deemed the ?Son of God? and ?our Lord and Savior,? who came to earth to die for man?s salvation.
--He was the second person of the Trinity.
--His disciples purportedly bestowed upon him the title ?Jezeus,? or ?Jeseus,? meaning ?pure essence.?
--Krishna is to return to judge the dead, riding on a white horse, and to do battle with the ?Prince of Evil,? who will desolate the earth.

Mithra of Persia
--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra?s followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the ?great bull of the Sun,? Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in atomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called ?the Good Shepherd? and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the ?Way, the Truth and the Light,? and the ?Logos,? [Word] ?Redeemer,? ?Savior? and ?Messiah.?
--His sacred day was Sunday, the ?Lord?s Day,? hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a eucharist or ?Lord?s Supper,? at which Mithra said, ?He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.?
--?His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration.?

Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced . . .
. . . Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.
Zoroaster/Zarathustra

--Zoroaster was born of a virgin and ?immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.?
--He was baptized in a river.
--In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom.
--He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.
--He began his ministry at age 30.
--Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and ?holy wind.?
--He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man.
--He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse.
--He had a sacred cup or grail.
--He was slain.
--His religion had a eucharist.
--He was the ?Word made flesh.?
--Zoroaster?s followers expected a ?second coming? in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 CE and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.

[Walkinghairball]

^^^^^^^^^^

Woah.............holy.............*I need to watch my mouth* That is a ton of info.

[Big Blue Owl]

A ton of history that describes man's pattern for God construction. Whoever thought of it first has a lot of lawsuits to get through.

[CygnusX1]

Finally - Proposals to benefit those of us that are responsible!

GOP Housing Plan is About Fairness

by Eric Cantor
As posted on www.townhall.com

In this era of ubiquitous bailouts, the public discussion seems to overlook
the nine out of 10 of homeowners who are paying their mortgages on
time.

While the proposals put forth by the Obama administration throw
enormous sums of good taxpayer money at those who have engaged in
irresponsible or even fraudulent behavior, unfairly left out in the cold are
the vast majority of Americans who have behaved responsibly.

As House Republicans roll out our alternative housing plan today, we do
not make that same mistake.

We believe our plan is the most effective way to stimulate home-buying
and arrest the free fall in home values that has erased roughly $20
trillion in housing wealth since the market peaked in mid-2007. What
distinguishes our program is the emphasis on fairness.

Unlike the administration?s plan, we do not offer help to borrowers who
inaccurately represented their income or assets on their original
mortgage. Likewise, there is no assistance for lenders who followed
improper lending standards and made loans to people who could not
afford them.

Instead, the GOP plan gives incentives to all responsible Americans who
want to buy a new home or refinance at a lower rate. This includes
homeowners who find themselves temporarily unemployed;
?neighborhood investors? who would purchase and rent out homes in
areas with a high number of foreclosures; growing families who want to
trade up to a larger home; empty-nesters seeking to downsize; and
families who wish to relocate to a new area.

Republicans are determined to break the deflationary habit of prospective
homebuyers and private capital merely waiting on the sidelines for things
to get worse. The scaled-down $8,000 tax credit for first-time
homebuyers in the recent stimulus bill doesn?t go far enough to tip the
balance in favor of buying.

To spur home purchases across the board, we propose:

? A $15,000 home-buyers tax credit for all purchases of primary
residences provided that the buyer pays 5 percent down. Boosted by
historically low mortgage rates, this tax credit provides the right
incentives to get all kinds of capable homebuyers back into the game ?
not just first-timers. The credit covers purchases made before July 1,
2010.

We also believe we can put a dent in the housing inventory glut by
encouraging neighborhood investors. Current law provides incentives
only for the purchase of owner-occupied homes. To encourage
neighborhood investors to buy and rent out these homes rather than
leaving them empty eyesores that further drag down home values in the
area, House Republicans propose:

? An equalizing of the treatment of a home purchased for occupancy with
a home purchased for rental purposes (defined as being rented to the
same tenant for at least 181 days out of the year). The same exclusion
from taxes for any future appreciation in the home value applies. This
covers purchases made before July 1, 2010.

On the refinancing side, House Republicans plan to help keep people in
their homes by proposing the following:

? A $5,000 refinancing tax credit to help families handle the cost of
mortgage refinancing, buy down points or reduce their principal balance.
Refinancing would be covered through July 1, 2010.

? Incentives for lenders to keep owners in their homes by refinancing
mortgages and lowering monthly payments. If the homeowner agrees to
share a portion of future home appreciation with the lender, both lender
and borrower will be exempted from taxes on eventual profits. Nor will
the borrower incur any tax liability as a result of the refinancing. This
applies to refinancing through July 1, 2010.

The latter incentive instills a sense of shared sacrifice between borrower
and lender. That?s a far cry from the administration?s plan for the
government to step in foot the bill to modify the mortgages.

The housing crisis remains at the vortex of the current economic storm.
We have to focus our efforts on stabilizing home prices and repairing the
disparity between sellers and buyers.

These alternative solutions are House Republicans? best way to reconcile
two critical demands - taking swift and bold action in the face of a
national crisis, and instead of rewarding bad or irresponsible behavior,
rewarding the great majority of responsible homeowners.

President Obama says he values bipartisanship.

By putting forward these constructive solutions to our nation?s most
urgent problem, we are holding the door open for him.

It?s now up to him to walk through it.

[awip2062]

I 'd love to see some of the houses around here that are empty purchased by local investors who would then rent them out to people who need homes, especially if they could rent them at affordable prices.

[YYZ30]

Finally - Proposals to benefit those of us that are responsible!

GOP Housing Plan is About Fairness

by Eric Cantor
As posted on www.townhall.com

In this era of ubiquitous bailouts, the public discussion seems to overlook
the nine out of 10 of homeowners who are paying their mortgages on
time.

While the proposals put forth by the Obama administration throw
enormous sums of good taxpayer money at those who have engaged in
irresponsible or even fraudulent behavior, unfairly left out in the cold are
the vast majority of Americans who have behaved responsibly.

As House Republicans roll out our alternative housing plan today, we do
not make that same mistake.

We believe our plan is the most effective way to stimulate home-buying
and arrest the free fall in home values that has erased roughly $20
trillion in housing wealth since the market peaked in mid-2007. What
distinguishes our program is the emphasis on fairness.

Unlike the administration?s plan, we do not offer help to borrowers who
inaccurately represented their income or assets on their original
mortgage. Likewise, there is no assistance for lenders who followed
improper lending standards and made loans to people who could not
afford them.

Instead, the GOP plan gives incentives to all responsible Americans who
want to buy a new home or refinance at a lower rate. This includes
homeowners who find themselves temporarily unemployed;
?neighborhood investors? who would purchase and rent out homes in
areas with a high number of foreclosures; growing families who want to
trade up to a larger home; empty-nesters seeking to downsize; and
families who wish to relocate to a new area.

Republicans are determined to break the deflationary habit of prospective
homebuyers and private capital merely waiting on the sidelines for things
to get worse. The scaled-down $8,000 tax credit for first-time
homebuyers in the recent stimulus bill doesn?t go far enough to tip the
balance in favor of buying.

To spur home purchases across the board, we propose:

? A $15,000 home-buyers tax credit for all purchases of primary
residences provided that the buyer pays 5 percent down. Boosted by
historically low mortgage rates, this tax credit provides the right
incentives to get all kinds of capable homebuyers back into the game ?
not just first-timers. The credit covers purchases made before July 1,
2010.

We also believe we can put a dent in the housing inventory glut by
encouraging neighborhood investors. Current law provides incentives
only for the purchase of owner-occupied homes. To encourage
neighborhood investors to buy and rent out these homes rather than
leaving them empty eyesores that further drag down home values in the
area, House Republicans propose:

? An equalizing of the treatment of a home purchased for occupancy with
a home purchased for rental purposes (defined as being rented to the
same tenant for at least 181 days out of the year). The same exclusion
from taxes for any future appreciation in the home value applies. This
covers purchases made before July 1, 2010.

On the refinancing side, House Republicans plan to help keep people in
their homes by proposing the following:

? A $5,000 refinancing tax credit to help families handle the cost of
mortgage refinancing, buy down points or reduce their principal balance.
Refinancing would be covered through July 1, 2010.

? Incentives for lenders to keep owners in their homes by refinancing
mortgages and lowering monthly payments. If the homeowner agrees to
share a portion of future home appreciation with the lender, both lender
and borrower will be exempted from taxes on eventual profits. Nor will
the borrower incur any tax liability as a result of the refinancing. This
applies to refinancing through July 1, 2010.

The latter incentive instills a sense of shared sacrifice between borrower
and lender. That?s a far cry from the administration?s plan for the
government to step in foot the bill to modify the mortgages.

The housing crisis remains at the vortex of the current economic storm.
We have to focus our efforts on stabilizing home prices and repairing the
disparity between sellers and buyers.

These alternative solutions are House Republicans? best way to reconcile
two critical demands - taking swift and bold action in the face of a
national crisis, and instead of rewarding bad or irresponsible behavior,
rewarding the great majority of responsible homeowners.

President Obama says he values bipartisanship.

By putting forward these constructive solutions to our nation?s most
urgent problem, we are holding the door open for him.

It?s now up to him to walk through it.

We have banged on every possible door and window asking other mortgage companies for help- because we are a subprime loan plus a condex no one really wants to help us. We paid our mortgage and bills on time for OVER 4 YEARS - we do not want a handout, we want someone to work with us to restructure our mortgage and debts to give us a little breathing room.

Why does no one want to help the RESPONSIBLE AMERICAN?

THIS IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF ABOUT THIS COUNTRY- LATELY WE HAVE REWARDED FAILURE- WELL, GUESS WHAT- I FRANKLY AM SICK AND TIRED OF IT. I HAVE SUCCEEDED IN PAYING ON TIME FOR OVER 4 YEARS AND NO ONE WILL HELP ME. WHERE'S MY HELP?

*gets off soapbox*

[CygnusX1]

What the....

Zed dareth enter the political "Den of Iniquity?"

Well put, Z. If anyone deserves a hand up - it's you Brother, and the
sooner the better.

[Me]

Approximately 1000 years before the birth of Jesus

Attis of Phrygia
--Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana.
--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers
--His priests were ?eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.?
--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
--On ?Black Friday,? he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
--He descended into the underworld.
--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the ?Most High God.
Dionysus/Bacchus
Dionysus or Bacchus is thought of as being Greek, but he is a remake of the Egyptian god Osiris, whose cult extended throughout a large part of the ancient world for thousands of years. Dionysus?s religion was well-developed in Thrace, northeast of Greece, and Phrygia, which became Galatia, where Attis also later reigned. Although a Dionysus is best remembered for the rowdy celebrations in his name, which was Latinized as Bacchus, he had many other functions and contributed several aspects to the Jesus character:

--Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger.
--He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
--He ?rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.?
--He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
--Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.
--He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
--He was called ?King of Kings? and ?God of Gods.?
--He was considered the ?Only Begotten Son,? Savior,? ?Redeemer,? ?Sin Bearer,? Anointed One,? and the ?Alpha and Omega.?
--He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
--His sacrificial title of ?Dendrites? or ?Young Man of the Tree? intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

As Walker says, Dionysus was ?a prototype of Christ with a cult center at Jerusalem,? where during the 1st century BCE he was worshiped by Jews . . . Dionysus/Bacchus?s symbol was ?IHS? or ?IES,? which became ?Iesus? or ?Jesus.? The ?IHS? is used to this day in Catholic liturgy and iconography.

Horus/Osiris of Egypt
In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in ?I and my Father are one.? Concerning Osiris, Walker says:

Of all savior-gods worshiped at the beginning of the Christian era, Osiris may have contributed
more details to the evolving Christ figure than any other. Already very old in Egypt, Osiris was
identified with nearly every other Egyptian god and was on the way to absorbing them all. He
had well over 200 divine names. He was called the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods.
He was the Resurrection and the Life, the Good Shepherd, Eternity and Everlastingness, the god
who ?made men and women to be born again.? Budge says, ?From first to last, Osiris was to the
Egyptians the god-man who suffered, an died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in heaven.
They believed that they would inherit eternal life, just as he had done . . .?
Osiris?s coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and
Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly to Osiris?s star in the east, Sirius (Sothis),
significator of his birth . . .
Certainly Osiris was a prototypical Messiah, as well as a devoured Host. His flesh was eaten
in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the ?plant of Truth.? . . . The cult of Osiris contributed
a number of ideas and phrases to the Bible. The 23rd Psalm copied an Egyptian text appealing
to Osiris the Good Shepherd to lead the deceased to the ?green pastures? and ?still waters? of the
nefer-nefer land, to restore the soul to the body, and to give protection in the valley of the shadow
of death (the Tuat). The Lord?s Prayer was prefigured by an Egyptian hymn to Osiris-Amen
beginning, ?O Amen, O Amen, who are in heaven.? Amen was also invoked at the end of every
prayer.

As Col. James Chruchward naively exclaims, ?The teachings of Osiris and Jesus are wonderfully alike. Many passages are identically the same, word for word.?

Osiris was also the god of the vine and a great travelling teacher who civilized the world. He was the ruler and judge of the dead. In his passion, Osiris was plotted against and killed by Set and ?the 72.? Like that of Jesus, Osiris?s resurrection served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal.

Osiris?s ?son? or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:

--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named ?Seb? (?Joseph?).
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by ?Anup the Baptizer? (?John the Baptist?), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his ?witnesses? and were named ?Anup? and ?Aan? (the two ?Johns?).
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (?El-Osiris?), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was ?Iusa,? the ?ever-becoming son? of ?Ptah,? the ?Father.? He was thus called ?Holy Child.?
--He delivered a ?Sermon on the Mount? and his followers recounted the ?Sayings of Iusa.?
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the ?Way, the Truth, the Light,? ?Messiah,? ?God?s Anointed Son,? ?the ?Son of Man,? the ?Good Shepherd,? the ?Lamb of God,? the ?Word made flesh,? the ?Word of Truth,? etc.
--He was ?the Fisher? and was associated with the Fish (?Ichthys?), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called ?the KRST,? or ?Anointed One.?
--Like Jesus, ?Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years.?

Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus? alleged advent] on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph the ?Holy Ghost,? impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended bh three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis?the original ?Madonna and Child.? As Massey says:

It was the Gnostic art that reproduced the Hathor-Meri and Horus of Egypt as the Virgin
and child-Christ of Rome . . . You poor idiotai, said the Gnostics [to the early Christians],
you have mistaken the mysteries of old for modern history, and accepted literally all that
was only meant mystically

Krishna of India

The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah Krishna number in the hundreds, particularly when the early Christian texts now considered apocrypha are factored in. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was ?Christna,? which reveals its relation to ?Christ.? Also, in Bengali, Krishna is reputedly ?Christos,? which is the same as the Greek for ?Christ? and which the soldiers of Alexander the Great called Krishna. It should be further noted that, as with Jesus, Buddha and Osiris, many people have believed and continue to believe in a historical Krishna. The following is a partial list of the correspondences between Jesus and Krishna:
--Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (?Divine One?) on December 25.
--His earthly father was a carpenter, who was off in the city paying tax while Krishna was born.
--His birth was signaled by a star in the east and attended by angels and shepherds, at which time he was presented with spices.
--The heavenly hosts danced and sang at his birth.
--He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
--Krishna was anointed on the head with oil by a woman whom he healed.
--He is depicted as having his foot on the head of a serpent.
--He worked miracles and wonders, raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
--Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love, and he ?lived poor and he loved the poor.?
--He castigated the clergy, charging them with ?ambition and hypocrisy . . . Tradition says he fell victim to their vengeance.?
--Krishna?s ?beloved disciple? was Arjuina or Ar-jouan (Jouhn).
--He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
--He gave his disciples the ability to work miracles.
--His path was ?strewn with branches.?
--In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
--Krishna was killed around the age of 30, and the sun darkened at his death.
--He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven ?in the sight of all men.?
--He was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet, as well as having a heart emblem on his clothing.
--Krishna is the ?lion of the tribe of Saki.?
--He was called the ?Shepherd of God? and considered the ?Redeemer,? ?Firstborn,? ?Sin-Bearer,? ?Liberator,? ?Universal Word.?
--He was deemed the ?Son of God? and ?our Lord and Savior,? who came to earth to die for man?s salvation.
--He was the second person of the Trinity.
--His disciples purportedly bestowed upon him the title ?Jezeus,? or ?Jeseus,? meaning ?pure essence.?
--Krishna is to return to judge the dead, riding on a white horse, and to do battle with the ?Prince of Evil,? who will desolate the earth.

Mithra of Persia
--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra?s followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the ?great bull of the Sun,? Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in atomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called ?the Good Shepherd? and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the ?Way, the Truth and the Light,? and the ?Logos,? [Word] ?Redeemer,? ?Savior? and ?Messiah.?
--His sacred day was Sunday, the ?Lord?s Day,? hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a eucharist or ?Lord?s Supper,? at which Mithra said, ?He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.?
--?His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration.?

Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced . . .
. . . Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.
Zoroaster/Zarathustra

--Zoroaster was born of a virgin and ?immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.?
--He was baptized in a river.
--In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom.
--He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.
--He began his ministry at age 30.
--Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and ?holy wind.?
--He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man.
--He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse.
--He had a sacred cup or grail.
--He was slain.
--His religion had a eucharist.
--He was the ?Word made flesh.?
--Zoroaster?s followers expected a ?second coming? in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 CE and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.

[YYZ30]

What the....

Zed dareth enter the political "Den of Iniquity?"

Well put, Z. If anyone deserves a hand up - it's you Brother, and the
sooner the better.

Zed layeth the smackdown because Zed is tired of our elected officials not helping those who TRULY need it.

I want to pay my debts off- we need a little help and no one will give us that help. I work 60 hours a week to keep the roof over our heads.

It just pisses me off that I have to become "lazy" to get help- exactly the opposite of what this country was founded on.

[awip2062]

Amen, Zed, I think every one of us here are behind you on this and want the same thing!

Preach it!