GLOBAL WARMING PROPOSAL

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Post by ElfDude » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:31 pm

The National Post in Canada has been running a series of articles about this debate which anyone interested might find useful. The first begins:
In the global warming debate, there are essentially two broad camps. One believes that the science is settled, that global warming is serious and man-made, and that urgent action must be taken to mitigate or prevent a future calamity. The other believes that the science is far from settled, that precious little is known about global warming or its likely effects, and that prudence dictates more research and caution before intervening massively in the economy.

The "science is settled" camp, much the larger of the two, includes many eminent scientists with impressive credentials. But just who are the global warming skeptics who question the studies from the great majority of climate scientists and what are their motives?
This article with links to the others can be found here: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/stor ... bed2f6&k=0

Good reading that isn't all emotional about the subject.
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Post by awip2062 » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:51 pm

The two camps disagree on what is reason and logic.
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Post by Me » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:18 am

Here is yet another artical about China's effect on world pollution. Nevertheless we are all to blaim wanting all the trivial trappings of humanity...


http://www.spiegel.de/international/spi ... 28,00.html
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Post by CygnusX1 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:35 am

*ignores all of this while freezing my tocchus off*

hey....somebody turn the heat up.
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Post by awip2062 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:18 am

Come on over, Siggs! The woodstove is buring (only trees that were diseased or all ready dead and needed to come down anyway) and the coffee pot is just finishing up.
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Post by CygnusX1 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:20 am

awip2062 wrote:Come on over, Siggs! The woodstove is buring (only trees that were diseased or all ready dead and needed to come down anyway) and the coffee pot is just finishing up.
SH-WEEEET. I can't feel my nose. :roll: :cry:
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Post by awip2062 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:36 am

Why do you need to feel your nose? :?
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Post by CygnusX1 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:48 am

awip2062 wrote:Why do you need to feel your nose? :?
hillbilly test for frostbite. I tested positive. :roll: :cry:
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Post by Me » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:02 pm

Is that kind of like Cutting off the nose to spite the face
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Post by CygnusX1 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:05 pm

Me wrote:Is that kind of like Cutting off the nose to spite the face
Yep...like curing a headache with decapitation. :-D
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Post by Me » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:42 pm

Glad I don't have a headache :twisted:

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Post by Me » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:22 pm

Me wrote:The native americans assimilation to the white mans ways was a failed cultural castration at any rate it did do great harm.. It's a madman and a fool refusing to encompass a world of reason and logic. Nevertheless I am trying to find infomation on the tale of U-Tit-Ne an native america tale of the most profound human questions, of why we are here etc.....
I sort of found what I was looking for U-Tit-Ne

http://www.indianmythology.org/blackfoo ... ld_man.htm
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Post by awip2062 » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:20 pm

Interesting myth.

I have to admit that I have seen good and bad from the assimilation.
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Post by awip2062 » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:32 pm

"When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works. We were treated to another dose of it recently when the experts of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued the Summary for Policymakers that puts the political spin on an unfinished scientific dossier on climate change due for publication in a few months? time. They declared that most of the rise in temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to man-made greenhouse gases.

The small print explains ?very likely? as meaning that the experts who made the judgment felt 90% sure about it. Older readers may recall a press conference at Harwell in 1958 when Sir John Cockcroft, Britain?s top nuclear physicist, said he was 90% certain that his lads had achieved controlled nuclear fusion. It turned out that he was wrong. More positively, a 10% uncertainty in any theory is a wide open breach for any latterday Galileo or Einstein to storm through with a better idea. That is how science really works.

Twenty years ago, climate research became politicised in favour of one particular hypothesis, which redefined the subject as the study of the effect of greenhouse gases. As a result, the rebellious spirits essential for innovative and trustworthy science are greeted with impediments to their research careers. And while the media usually find mavericks at least entertaining, in this case they often imagine that anyone who doubts the hypothesis of man-made global warming must be in the pay of the oil companies. As a result, some key discoveries in climate research go almost unreported.

Enthusiasm for the global-warming scare also ensures that heatwaves make headlines, while contrary symptoms, such as this winter?s billion-dollar loss of Californian crops to unusual frost, are relegated to the business pages. The early arrival of migrant birds in spring provides colourful evidence for a recent warming of the northern lands. But did anyone tell you that in east Antarctica the Ad?lie penguins and Cape petrels are turning up at their spring nesting sites around nine days later than they did 50 years ago? While sea-ice has diminished in the Arctic since 1978, it has grown by 8% in the Southern Ocean...."

The rest of the article can be found at: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 363818.ece
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Post by zepboy » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:31 pm

Actually, I've been feelin a bit of a chill lately.

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