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Post by awip2062 » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:51 pm

What isn't normal is to start spending large amounts of money on redecorating and fancy new vehicles when you are rebuliding your reserves.

And DEF not when there are people on the other side of your being-redecorated office door who are losing their jobs!

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Post by CygnusX1 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:35 am

What is the Economic Stimulus Payment?

It's a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q and A format:

Q: What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A: It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q: Where will the government get this money?
A: From taxpayers.

Q: So...the government is giving me back my own money?
A: No, they are borrowing it from China. Your children are expected to
repay the Chinese
.


Q: What is the purpose of this payment?
A: The plan is....you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set,
thus stimulating the economy.


Q: But isn't that only stimulating the economy of China?
A: Shut up.


Below is some helpful advice on (how to best help
the US economy by) spending your stimulus check wisely:


1. If you spend that money at Wal-Mart - all the money will go to China.

2. If you spend it on gasoline - it will go to Hugo Chavez, the Arabs and
the all the other bad guys who want to kill us.


3. If you purchase a computer - it will go to Taiwan.

4. If you purchase fruit and vegetables - it will go to Mexico, Honduras, Chile
and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).


5. If you buy a car - it will go to Japan and Korea.

6. If you purchase prescription drugs - it will go to India.

7. If you purchase heroin - it will go to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

8. If you give it to a charitable cause - it will go to Nigeria.

....And none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America.

You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to
a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer (domestic ONLY), or
tattoos.....since those are the only businesses still in the US.
:-)
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Post by ElfDude » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:41 am

CygnusX1 wrote:[

Below is some helpful advice on (how to best help
the US economy by) spending your stimulus check wisely:


1. If you spend that money at Wal-Mart - all the money will go to China.

2. If you spend it on gasoline - it will go to Hugo Chavez, the Arabs and
the all the other bad guys who want to kill us.


3. If you purchase a computer - it will go to Taiwan.

4. If you purchase fruit and vegetables - it will go to Mexico, Honduras, Chile
and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).


5. If you buy a car - it will go to Japan and Korea.

6. If you purchase prescription drugs - it will go to India.

7. If you purchase heroin - it will go to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

8. If you give it to a charitable cause - it will go to Nigeria.

....And none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America.

You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to
a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer (domestic ONLY), or
tattoos.....since those are the only businesses still in the US.
:-)
So... buy a Carvin guitar or bass or amplifier or something! Made in San Diego, California! :-D (except for the Cobalt acoustics... they're imported)

About number 2... most of our gasoline comes from Canada and Mexico, then some from the Arabs and Hugo Chavez. Just stay away from Citgo stations. :cool:
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Post by CygnusX1 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:49 am

I know Elf, but it was too funny NOT to post. :oops: :lol:
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Post by ElfDude » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:51 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans suggested overhauling the Senate's stimulus proposal because they said it doesn't pump enough into the private sector through tax cuts but allows Democrats to go on a spending spree unlikely to jolt the economy.
"When I say start from scratch, what I mean is that the basic approach of this bill, we believe, is wrong," said Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Republican. He added that he was seeing an erosion of support for the bill.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said he doubted the Senate would pass the bill, contending that Democrats as well as Republicans were uneasy with it.
That would be such a blessing for the economy if it doesn't pass. Polls support the senator's assesment of an erosion of support. The majority of those polled who had an opinion said they believed that the government was going too far.
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Post by awip2062 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:57 pm

This is the way I see it. We need to get off the credit standard. I know people say that it's just the way we do business now and it would destroy our way of life if we did that, but, ya know, that argument was used back in the 1850s and 1860s when certain people wanted to get rid of slavery and others did not. (Now, I am not getting in to a states' rights vs federal thing here.)

Back in the mid 1800s people were enslaved and many were using the argument that getting rid of slavery would destroy their economy. The slaves were freed, the economy did tank, people lost everything, but recovery did occur and now, what? Even more people are enslaved. It's a different kind of slavery, but seriously, it IS a form of slavery.

And what is our government doing about it this time? Helping the slave owners. :roll:

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Post by zepboy » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:43 pm

ElfDude wrote:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans suggested overhauling the Senate's stimulus proposal because they said it doesn't pump enough into the private sector through tax cuts but allows Democrats to go on a spending spree unlikely to jolt the economy.
"When I say start from scratch, what I mean is that the basic approach of this bill, we believe, is wrong," said Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Republican. He added that he was seeing an erosion of support for the bill.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said he doubted the Senate would pass the bill, contending that Democrats as well as Republicans were uneasy with it.
That would be such a blessing for the economy if it doesn't pass. Polls support the senator's assesment of an erosion of support. The majority of those polled who had an opinion said they believed that the government was going too far.
Let us face reality for a moment. Our elected officials don't follow the will of the people. Once in office, they do as they please.

I just don't understand why we keep putting these %#%%$*^ in office!

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Post by CygnusX1 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:27 am

Amazing - This fiasco is actually getting bipartisan action because of
republican solidarity? (How can that BE?)

And, as such, Pelosi's big, fat, democratic contributors' back-scratchin'
pork is being trimmed from the proposal.

My favorite: $3 Million to repair the National Mall...

What the... :shock: :? :???: :?

Republicans didn't trash it up! Are you serious?


Anyway, this doesn't happen every day in American politics, folks.

Has common sense finally reared its bipartisan head? :? :lol:

I'm playin' the lotto! WOOHOO! :shock: :lol:
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Post by zepboy » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:46 am

If I didn't know better, I'd think you have been drinking the beltway kool-aid.

Whatever bipartisan goodness you are glomming onto will be short lived at best. Besides, I think it is not a good idea to be cooperating with the Dems right now, because to do so is to walk away from true conservatism.

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Post by CygnusX1 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:57 am

zepboy wrote:If I didn't know better, I'd think you have been drinking the beltway kool-aid.

Whatever bipartisan goodness you are glomming onto will be short lived at best. Besides, I think it is not a good idea to be cooperating with the Dems right now, because to do so is to walk away from true conservatism.
no kool-aid drinking allowed on my side, Zep.


It's the "something-is-better-than-nothing" philosophy.

Let me be clear - I'm not a supporter of ANY (kickbacks disguised as)
economic "stimulus."

Unfortunately, this thing is probably going to be passed one way or the
other.
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Post by zepboy » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:03 am

I get ya, but I am weary of too much "go along to get along."

I think it's time for people to stand for what they truly believe, instead of this constant compromising of their values. There is way too much compromise going on, and that has a great deal to do with the fine mess we find ourselves in these days.

If Bush only had the onions to tell Barney Frank and those banking "geniuses" to knock it off . . .

Too much compromise!!!

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Post by CygnusX1 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:38 am

I can't think of a single time in our history when we were truly a
bipartisan government either...

Except right after 9/11. It took an ACT OF WAR to bring everyone
together.

The democrats even agreed on military action...

THAT was a great stand taken by ALL.

Case in point:

Remember after 9/11 - and EVERYONE had to get their flag and put it on
their car, out their window, on their house, etc?

Where did those days go? I still fly mine...Now the far-left peanut gallery
is burning them again.

Did I just wake up from a coma or something?
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Post by ElfDude » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:00 am

CygnusX1 wrote: Remember after 9/11 - and EVERYONE had to get their flag and put it on
their car, out their window, on their house, etc?

Where did those days go? I still fly mine...Now the far-left peanut gallery
is burning them again.

Did I just wake up from a coma or something?
9/12 was an amazing feeling in the country. I'd never experienced unity like that.

I'm trying to remember the timing... I think it was after we went into Afghanistan but before we went into Iraq...

Okay, at first we were simply going to go into Iraq under the authority of a previous congressional bill that basically gave the president carte blanche, but at first there was so much public support that congress wanted to get it on it again so they easily passed another bill giving the president authority again. Am I remembering this right?

Anyway, it was somewhere around that time that James Carville and a colleague (I forget who at the moment and don't have time to look it up right now) sent out a memo to all their party leaders that basically said, "Why you so stupid? If all this unity continues we're not going to win anything in 2004! We need new seats in the senate and in the congress and unless you guys start vilifying Bush that's not going to happen!" So, the trash-talking went into full effect, and the major news outlets were happy to join in the chorus. Mission easily accomplished. The feeling of unity was gone in no time. And they won seats in the congress and the senate.

The Republicans were not squeaky clean either, of course. They took public support for granted and really sold out a lot of their constituents. They deserved to lose in 2006.

But I really miss that feeling of unity we all experienced. It was too short. Sad that politics got in the way and ruined it.
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Post by CygnusX1 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:11 am

You speak the truth Elf.

And, sadly, the truth doesn't sell many newspapers these days.

All the news publishers have to put their own little spin on everything...
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Post by Big Blue Owl » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:23 am

Wow, it's like, the opposite of everything posted in the post-Obama political section seems right to me.
I thought it was difficult to be the lone stranger before the election, but now it's just attack after spew on top of *makes rotating motion with finger pointed at brain while whistling a descending note.*

A few missteps and dumb-ass moves aside, everything I expected, hoped for and had foreseen seems to be developing. It's still only two weeks, my fear-filled friends!

As to the stimulus package, I sincerely hope that all of the Republicans and the few Democrats that voted to kill it refuse the money for their states and constituents when it is released. Publicly oppose it, publicly refuse it. Otherwise they are as hypocritical and criminal as you all deem the left to be.
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